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Doctor Doom vs. the Thing

Benjamin Grimm, the Earth-616 original. In this site's ratings, classic Doctor Doom wins 60% of their one-on-one fights, so Doom is the favorite.

Classic Doom60%Favored
VS
The Thing40%Toss-up

Fight rules: both fighters at their peak, no preparation, no allies, only their own powers and personal gear. A win is a knockout, a restraint they can't escape, or a forced surrender. The percentages are fan estimates, not official information.

Doom's edge

Armor that took his punches to a standstill (FF #157), an electric shock, sorcery, flight, and one weapon nobody else has: Doom can cure him, and did it without asking in 2025 (One World Under Doom #2).

The Thing's edge

Strength around 100 tons, a hide that shrugs off bazookas, decades of brawling, and history: he crushed Doom's hands inside his gauntlets (FF #40) and sent him into deep space (FF #23).

Odds against every version of Doom

Doom's chance of winning, version by version. The strongest Doom here, God Emperor Doom, wins >99% of the time; the weakest, Fox Doom (2005), wins 20%. The last column says what moves each version away from classic Doom's 60%.

DoomDoom winsBarOutcomeWhat changes
Doom
Classic Doom
60%FavoredThe baseline Doom
Power Cosmic Doom
Power Cosmic (1967)
97%FavoredOverall +70 for this version; +4: Revenge for his hands: with the Power Cosmic he hunted Ben down and beat him (FF #60, 1967).
Beyonder-powered Doom
Beyonder power (1985)
>99%FavoredOverall +130 for this version
Unthinkable Doom
Unthinkable (2003)
95%FavoredOverall +65 for this version
Life Force Doom
Life Force (2012)
99%FavoredOverall +110 for this version
God Emperor Doom
God Emperor (2015)
>99%FavoredOverall +150 for this version
Infamous Iron Man
Infamous Iron Man
53%Toss-upOverall −4 for this version; −3: He's trying to make amends, and he dodged the Thing rather than trade blows (Infamous Iron Man, 2017).
Sorcerer Supreme Doom
Sorcerer Supreme (2025)
94%FavoredOverall +55 for this version; +4: Turned Ben human with a gesture, without asking (One World Under Doom #2, 2025).
Doom 2099
Doom 2099
56%Toss-upOverall −4 for this version
Van Damme
Van Damme (Ultimate)
40%Toss-upOverall −20 for this version
Fox Doom (2005)
Julian McMahon (2005)
20%UnderdogOverall −45 for this version
Fox Doom (2007)
Surfer's board (2007)
86%FavoredOverall +35 for this version
Fox Doom (2015)
Toby Kebbell (2015)
40%Toss-upOverall −20 for this version

Tale of the tape

Eight stats on a 1-to-10 scale, classic Doom against the Thing. How the stat scales work.

StatClassic DoomThe Thing
Strength68
Speed74
Agility54
Durability98
Size66
Fighting skill67
Intelligence95
Ranged attack82

The Thing's power set

Official handbook power grid

CategoryRating (1 to 7)
Intelligence3
Strength6
Speed2
Durability6
Energy projection1
Fighting skills5

Who is the Thing?

Real name
Benjamin Jacob “Ben” Grimm
Height
6 ft
Weight
500 lb
Eyes / hair
Blue / none (formerly brown)
Born
Yancy Street, Lower East Side, Manhattan
First appearance
The Fantastic Four #1 (Nov 1961)
Created by
Stan Lee and Jack Kirby
Education
State University on a football scholarship; military pilot and astronaut training

Ben Grimm grew up poor on Yancy Street on Manhattan's Lower East Side, where his older brother Daniel was killed in a gang fight and Ben later ran the gang himself before his Uncle Jake took him in. A football scholarship took him to State University, where he roomed with Reed Richards and first crossed Victor von Doom; decades later Ben confessed he may have smudged one of the mystic symbols in Victor's lab the night of the accident, though Reed found no sign it mattered (FF vol. 4 #9, 2013). He became a military test pilot and astronaut, flew Reed's ship through the cosmic rays and came back as the Thing, a body of orange rock that lifts around 100 tons. The family's heart and its fists, he is a proud Jewish New Yorker married to Alicia Masters (FF vol. 6 #5, 2019). Doom has possessed him and forced Reed to kill him to stop it (FF #508, 2004; Ben was brought back), and in 2025 Doom publicly made him human, a life Ben never asked for, until his family went back to the Big Bang to restore his powers (One World Under Doom #2; Fantastic Four #30–33).

Signature feats

Weaknesses and limits

Gear

His FF uniform with team telemetry, a Fantasti-Flare, and anything he can lift.

Affiliations

Fantastic Four
Founding member and pilot.
Avengers
Served with the team, including its West Coast branch.
Yancy Street
Grew up there and once ran its gang.
Alicia Masters
His wife, since 2019.

The Thing vs. Doctor Doom in the comics

Doom came out ahead 3 times, the Thing 3, the team 1, with 3 draws in the encounters listed here.

YearIssueWhat happenedResult
1964FF #23Grappling at the edge of Doom's deep-space portal, Ben sent him through it.The team
1965FF #40Crushed Doom's hands and stripped his armor; the team let him limp away.The Thing
1967FF #60Doom used the Power Cosmic to take revenge for his hands; Ben was outmatched but kept fighting.Doom
1975FF #157Doom's new armor held against his punches: a stalemate.Draw
1991FF #350Fought the returned Doom until Sharon Ventura interrupted.Draw
1992FF #361Wrecked the warehouse lab where Doom was experimenting on Yancy Street's addicts. Doom blasted him into submission, but the research was ruined and Doom left swearing revenge.Draw
2004FF #508Doom possessed him; Ben begged Reed to stop him, and Reed killed him. He was brought back in FF #509–511.Doom
2008FF #552Slammed a future Doom into a building across the street.The Thing
2013FF vol. 4 #9Watched the accident from outside time with Reed, pulled young Victor clear and smashed the machine; Victor chose to become Doom anyway.No fight
2015Secret WarsMade part of the Shield, Battleworld's great wall; he marched on Doomstadt when he learned Doom had lied.No fight
2021FF vol. 6 #34Smashed the Armagedron at Doom's wedding.The Thing
2025One World Under Doom #2Doom made him human without asking.Doom

In a team fight

Takes Doom's blows for everyone, and breaks the armor the moment the others open it. Build a team against Doom.

Status, October 2026

The Thing again: the family fought to restore his powers after Doom's cure (Fantastic Four #30–33, 2025), and he's in Ryan North's ongoing series. Ebon Moss-Bachrach's Ben of Earth-828 returns in Avengers: Doomsday (Dec 18, 2026).

Other versions of the Thing

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